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Wednesday, August 26, 2009

More on the Evolution of God, Wright, and Colbert...

Earlier this Spring I led a seminar called "Who Really Invented Christianity?" in which we explore the claims and time line concerning the origins of Christianity which Wright discusses in the Evolution of God. You can check out the audio here...

It is very important that our apologetic efforts concentrate where it matters most--the person and claims of Jesus.

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Tuesday, August 25, 2009

Colbert Report - Robert Wright on the Evolution of God

OK...it is hard for me to resist posting the occasional clip from the Colbert Report because it is a humorous way of thinking about important religious and philosophical topics. That being said, Wright, who resists being classified as a new atheist, still is making some pretty big claims about the three largest monotheistic religions--Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. Now I'm concerned with Christianity and think it stands up to scrutiny. But he makes some dubios claims about God being an illusion (cf. Freud, Marx, and Feuerbach) and that Jesus really claim to be the Son of God (both of these are common objections). I wonder if Wright is familiar with Lord Jesus Christ: Devotion to Jesus in Earliest Christianity by Larry Hurtado?

A quick word about worldview and explanatory resources. If naturalism is true, then all you have in your explanatory cubbard are physics and chemistry being acted on by (blind) natural selection. So Morality and Religion must have an evolutionary account. That is what Wright tries to offer. (more after you watch the interaction)


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For another perspective by a sociologist of religion, see:



Wright has been interviewed by Bill Moyers (PBS), reviewed by Dinesh D'Souza and blogged on by Cornelius Hunter.

Also he had a provocative and lively on-air debate / conversation on the Hugh Hewitt Show with Philosopher John Mark Reynolds. Audio available here. (HT / Uncommon Descent)

What is clear is that this book and the ideas it contains will be part of the cultural conversation about religion for a while.

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Thursday, August 6, 2009

Why Relativism is a Really Bad Idea (with a little help from the Colbert Report)

On October 17, 2005 a new word came into existence that really captures the spirit of our age – take a look at this clip:

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“It used to be, everyone was entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. But that’s not the case anymore. Facts matter not at all. Perception is everything…Truthiness is “What I say is right, and [nothing] anyone else says could possibly be true.” It’s not only that I feel it to be true, but that I feel it to be true.” – Stephen Colbert

What Colbert is describing with "truthiness" goes by another alias = relativism. Now relativism is all over the place - out there and in here…young and old. I could bore you with statistics, but I don’t have time for that just now.

Relativism is everywhere…but what is it? Atheist philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche succinctly defined it this way:

“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”

Is good and evil, right and wrong, foolish and wise - really just a matter of personal preference? So, Letterman style, I want to count down the 5 biggest reasons relativism is a bad idea.

5. Relativism is self-refuting (self-contradictory). To see this, take the statement “there are no English sentences longer than 6 words.” (What’s wrong here? – 9 words). Now let’s take the statement “Everything is relative.” If it’s true, its false. What kind of statement is it? A relative statement or an absolute statement? Relativism at its core is self-refuting. (e.g., My brother is an only child).

4. Relativism eliminates the possibility of moral reform. If moral relativism is true, then what is “right” is determined by whatever the majority of the culture believes. But this leads to the absurd consequence that those seeking to reform the immoral practices of society (e.g., eliminating racism) are the immoral ones because they are acting against the cultural majority. This is a powerful reason to reject moral relativism. (cf. Martin Luther King)

3. Relativism eliminates the possibility of moral progress. If moral relativism is true, then moral progress becomes, by definition, impossible. According to a consistent moral relativist, not only was someone like Martin Luther King wrong for challenging the deeply held moral beliefs of his culture, but the change he affected did not technically “improve” the morals of society—it just changed them.

2. Relativism removes our ability praise good and condemn evil. Think about this – if relativism were true, then we would have to conclude that there is no moral difference between Hitler and Mother Theresa. We would not be able to universally condemn the holocaust, rape, or genocide as evil. And we would not be able to universally say that self-sacrifice is superior to self-centeredness.

1. It diminishes sin. As my friend Brett Kunkle puts it, “once sin disappears, grace disappears with it.” You see Relativism neutralizes the Gospel and removes (people’s perceived) need for a Savior. Relativism cannibalizes truth. But if there is no truth there is no Good News—just news.

What kind of world would it be if relativism were true?

“It would be a world in which nothing was wrong—nothing is considered evil or good, nothing worthy of praise or blame. It would be a world in which justice and fairness are meaningless concepts, in which there would be no accountability, no possibility of moral improvement, no moral discourse. And it would be a world in which there is no tolerance.” – Greg Koukl & Francis Beckwith

*This connection was made by Brett Kunkle (STR) in his chapter on Truth in Apologetics for a New Generation :



Technical Support:
• Relativism: Feet Firmly Planted in Mid-Air by Greg Koukl and Frank Beckwith
• True for You, But Not for Me by Paul Copan
• Ethix: Being Bold in A Whatever World by Sean McDowell

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Friday, May 15, 2009

Former fundamentalist 'debunks' Bible

I Came across this CNN article Former fundamentalist 'debunks' Bible. It appears Bart Ehrman is at it again...just in time for the latest round of religious skepticism served up in Angels and Demons (new movie based on Dan Brown's book).

Ehrman clearly has an axe to grind. And his is self-admittedly the Problem of Evil in the world. This finds its way into his writing. Other equally credentialed New Testament Scholars are not convinced by his arguments; in fact they see the NT as highly reliable historically. Bart Erhman makes a living by overstating the implications of issues biblical scholars (conservative, moderate, or liberal) have known about for decades. See for example our previous post on this issue here when Bart was on the Colbert Report.

Ben Witherington has responded with a six part review of Bart's claims in Jesus Interrupted (Bart Interrupted)
part 1 part 2 part 3 part 4 part 5 part 6

For a wonderful book exploring these claims in accessible fashion, see Reinventing Jesus by Dan Wallace, Ed Komoszewski, and M. James Sawyer.

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Monday, April 13, 2009

Bart Ehrman on The Colbert Report (Bible Contradictions?)

If you would like to know what is shaping the undercurrents of belief in our society - follow the comedians. My personal favorite is the Colbert Report. Colbert's satire is very perceptive and informed.

On Good Friday Colbert had Bart Ehrman on the Report regarding his latest book - Jesus Interrupted - which makes all sorts of claims about biblical contradictions and that Jesus never claimed to be God etc.

Watch and enjoy..."Bart Ehrman explains why the Bible is a big fat lie and Stephen is an idiot for believing it. (06:30)" Colbert actually poses some interesting questions to Ehrman...even in the humor. More about the substance of the claims below.

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For NT Scholar Ben Witherington's review of the book, see part 1 and part 2. Also Darrell Bock's Review. (BTW - Ben was trained by the same person Ehrman was).

Ben's brief response on a comment on his blog:

Actually Bart is dead wrong about early Christology, and I think he even knows it. Its pretty hard to miss Phil. 2.5-11, written before any Gospel probably. There it is said not only that Christ is "in very nature God" even before he takes on human form, but then on top of that Paul quotes and applies Isaiah to Christ after the ascension saying he has the name above all names, which very clearly in Isaiah is the name of God. The transfer of the LXX name for God 'kyrios' to Christ is clearly enough a statement about his divinity. In addition to which in Romans 9.5 Christ is called "God above all blessed forever".

Furthermore, the Synoptic Gospels most certainly do view Christ as divine. This is why he is portrayed as Immanuel for example in Matthew's Gospel, or as the human and also divine Son of Man of Daniel 7 fame who came from heaven to judge the world and will rule in a kingdom for ever (see Mk. 14.62).

Ehrman's retro arguments about such things don't even convince most liberal scholars these days, they just say that Paul was divinizing Jesus because they know he had an exalted view of Christ.

As for Colbert, he is a devout Catholic who teaches Sunday school, and is not much interested in making fun of any orthodox Christians.

Happy Easter,

BW3 (end of quote)

On the historical reliability of the Gospels, see Craig Blomberg's article. For a fuller treatment, see The Historical Reliability of the Gospels 2nd edition.

Here is an excerpt: "Why then are the Gospels not word-for-word alike? Why was more than one needed in the first place? Moreover, the verbatim similarities among the Synoptics are usually taken as a sign of literary dependence of one Gospel on another or two together on a common source. There are a whole host of reasons for these differences. Many have to do with what each author selected to include or leave out from a much larger body of information of which he was aware (John 21:25). Distinctive theological emphases, unique geographical outlines, and larger questions of literary subgenre account for many of these selections and omissions. But even where the Gospels include versions of the same event, verbatim parallelism usually remains interspersed with considerable freedom to paraphrase, abridge, expand, explain and stylize other portions of the accounts. All this was considered perfectly acceptable by the historiographical standards of the day and would not have been viewed in any as errant. But recent scholarship is also pointing out how the flexibility and patterns in oral storytelling would have accounted for many of the more incidental differences as Christian tradition initially passed these stories on by word of mouth."

On the Divinity of Jesus, see Putting Jesus in His Place.

(HT - Ben Witherington)

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